06-19-2016, 03:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-19-2016, 03:06 PM by Thomas Ray.)
Secur wrote: Â "They're assuming TLCP's at both stations are determined simultaneously. Of course this violates relativity and is a variety of 'spooky action at a distance'.
Determined simultaneously, measured discretely. Â No violation of locality. Â
Richard Gill, et al, published a "refutation" of the PNAS paper, claiming first that the work was another nonlocal theory, and finally that time is irrelevant.
You judge. Â arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0208187
Mathematically complete -- meaning that the physical results are entirely contained within the mathematical postulates. Â Quantum theory is a mish-mash of ad hoc assumptions.
Relativistic predictions are falsifiable, and do not need gods and devils.
Determined simultaneously, measured discretely. Â No violation of locality. Â
Richard Gill, et al, published a "refutation" of the PNAS paper, claiming first that the work was another nonlocal theory, and finally that time is irrelevant.
You judge. Â arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0208187
(06-18-2016, 11:35 AM)Thomas Ray Wrote: Schmelzer wrote:  "I would say relativity has failed when tested against quantum theory. "
Quite impossible, since relativity is mathematically complete and quantum theory is not.
(06-18-2016, 02:09 PM)Schmelzer Wrote: Quantum theory is as complete (incomplete) as relativity. Â
The fact is that to prove Bell's inequality all you need are self-evident trivialities, like realism or causality, Â and relativity. Â The resulting prediction - Bell's inequality - stands against the QM prediction. Â Experiment has shown that QM was correct, and Bell's inequality false. Â
So, relativity has failed. Â In such a horrible way that it has to reject the very existence of reality as well as the principle that correlations have causal explanations to immunize itself. Â This is even worse than the immunizations used by religions - which make claims about really existing Gods or devils or so, and give fantastic but at least formally causal explanations of whatever we observe.
Mathematically complete -- meaning that the physical results are entirely contained within the mathematical postulates. Â Quantum theory is a mish-mash of ad hoc assumptions.
Relativistic predictions are falsifiable, and do not need gods and devils.